How has the pandemic been for you creatively?
The pandemic put me in a great spot mentally. I always try to focus on the good in a situation, and the good was that for a very long time it hadn’t been that quiet. It gave me more space to develop my skill and to analyse what to do to improve my own craft.
I know you’re a well travelled guy, you’ve seen many cultures and experiences. How do you think that has helped shape your musical and personal outlook?
Musically, it taught me not to put myself in the box, because I enjoy so much music. I enjoy the French rap scene, the Dutch scene, the American, UK, Spanish. For me to go in the studio and just make one genre is very difficult and that is due to me travelling so much. Musically it helps me stay versatile. Personally, the best thing about travelling was that I was able to pick up all these languages and cultures, and see how people live in different places. Usually you can hear about it and go on vacation to these places, but because I lived in those places, I picked up a lot more than I would on vacation.
How many languages do you speak?
I speak five.
Blimey, what languages?
I speak Krio which is the native language in Sierra Leonne, I speak English, Dutch, French and Spanish.
That’s very impressive. As you were just saying about diversity of sound, when I’ve listened to you, I’ve found it difficult to pin your influences. How do you combine so many sounds with such coherency in your music?
I think that if the story or message is the same, then the sound that it comes under does not matter. I think why it sounds like one, no matter the beat, is because the message is always the same. As soon as you know the message you want to give out, it doesn’t really matter. You can work with any producer, as long as they stand what you stand for.
You are a prime example of a modern artist who is fluid with the concept of genre. Do you think genre is still relevant?
They put genres in place to categorise. They use genre to make it easier for people to find music. I think in the modern day, the biggest artists are influenced by everything. The biggest hip hop artist is heavily R&B influenced, and the biggest pop artist listens to DaBaby. The lines are so blurred that, in theory, genre is fading away, but you still need it to make it easier for people.
Talk me through the single ‘Knights’.
‘Knights’ is an ode to people who have travelled all over the place and seen different things. Coming back to the conversation on genre, that was a tune that we started off with house chords, but then we put the afro vibe to it. It was really just a vibe to how we were living in those cities, travelling a lot and recording here and there. That was the soundtrack of those trips. In LA for example, we were there for almost a month and that was what we were listening to in the car. The sound of it just fit with what we saw around us. I worked on it in Barcelona as well. It’s more of a vibe than a super big message.
I think what is really appealing to your music is the way you capture moods. For instance, the mood of ‘Celebration’ or ‘Bruddha’, there’s an unavoidable feel good energy to it. Why is it important for you to create that positive, uplifting mood in your music.
It’s because I started off very negative. The songs that streamed the most before I started this cycle in the UK were all very sad songs. They were all songs that I wrote in a dark place. I just figured that every time I performed the songs, it’d take me back to the dark place. Even when I got the message of my friend dying, I was in the studio working on this project, and Sam started off making a song and I just knew where we were going, and I already knew where we were going and I said I don’t want to do this, let’s try something else. I really have to praise Sam’s genius because he totally gets it, we never said to make an Afro song but he just understands. So when he whipped that out, I knew it was exactly what I needed to speak over, not a sad beat.
That’s quite a connection that you have with Sam then. How long have you been working together?
We’ve known each other 4 or 5 years, but we’ve been working together for 2 years.
Do you see yourself working together more in the future?
I think so. I define my sound with Sam. Before that I was rapping based on my idols. With Sam, it was the first time I worked with a producer who also took a year of his time to develop a sound with me. So 100%, I think there’s much more from us.